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DarkSpirit · Mar 15, 2008, 03:44 AM // 03:44

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Did you even read the link that you sent?

You sent a farming build as proof that SoI is good because of a skill combination.

Uh...you dont understand English? Read again, slowly this time:

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Originally Posted by Terraban

I mean really...Steam? Glowstone + Enervating Charge? Are you seriously wasting your whole entire skillbar on these mediocre single target skills?

And I showed you builds that use them. Even if one of them happen to be a recommended farming build that uses Glowstone+Enervating Charge, none of the builds I showed you are SoI builds. I am just showing you that many people DO use these skills (i.e. Steam+Burning and Enervating Charge+Glowstone/Stoning)

Terraban · Mar 15, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Uh...you dont understand English? Read again, slowly this time:

And I showed you builds that use them. Even if one of them happen to be a recommended farming build that uses Glowstone+Enervating Charge, none of the builds I showed you are SoI builds. I am just showing you that many people DO use these skills (i.e. Steam+Burning and Enervating Charge+Glowstone/Stoning)

Cool...that means you can use Mending and Healing Breeze with SoI too. 55 monks use it so it must be good! Maybe even throw in some Balthazar's Spirit too, because 55 monks use that too.

DarkSpirit · Mar 15, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by Terraban

How is the Mesmer taking pressure off the team? Interrupts?

Guess what....ANY profession can do that, and Rangers can even do it BETTER. Rangers can use any interrupt skill that a Mesmer can use, + their own interrupts.

Oh really?

Psychic Stability

Elite Spell. Interrupt target foe's action. If that action was a spell that foe is knocked down. (50% failure chance with Fast Casting 4 or less.)

Try using this on your R/Me.

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Cool...that means you can use Mending and Healing Breeze with SoI too. 55 monks use it so it must be good! Maybe even throw in some Balthazar's Spirit too, because 55 monks use that too.

Maybe you really dont understand English. I would have to try a more empirical form of expression:

SoI != Farming

Terraban · Mar 15, 2008, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Oh really?

Psychic Stability

Elite Spell. Interrupt target foe's action. If that action was a spell that foe is knocked down. (50% failure chance with Fast Casting 4 or less.)

Try using this on your R/Me.

Why when you could use [skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill]?

And no I must not understand english...

I say skills you suggest suck.
You show a farming build that suggests them.
55 Monks use Mending and Healing Breeze, so by your logic Mending and Healing Breeze go well with SoI since a remote build uses them?

I'll sum it up for you:
You: "SoI is good because you can use X+Y"
Me: "X+Y sucks so that is pointless"
You: "No this farming build uses X+Y"
Me: "Just because a farming build uses X+Y doesn't mean it is good"
You: "Who mentioned farming? You!"

DarkSpirit · Mar 15, 2008, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by Terraban

I say skills you suggest suck.
You show a farming build that suggests them.
55 Monks use Mending and Healing Breeze, so by your logic Mending and Healing Breeze go well with SoI since a remote build uses them?

You dont understand the empirical form too? Oh brother...maybe you need hand gestures.

Let me sum it up for you:

Me: "SoI is good because you can use X+Y at level 16 for BOTH"
You: really...? X + Y? Are you seriously wasting your whole entire skillbar on these mediocre single target skills?
Me: "Many people uses X+Y effectively. Look at these X+Y builds <non-farming build1>, <non-farming build2>,....<1 farming build>...."
You: "Just because a farming build uses X+Y doesn't mean it is good"
Me: "Who mentioned farming? You!"

Terraban · Mar 15, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

You dont understand the empirical form too? Oh brother...maybe you need hand gestures.

I done with you.

Once you learn to play and how to keep up with what YOU SAID, then you can continue posting.

I'll post this again so maybe you might try to read it.

I'll sum it up for you:
You: "SoI is good because you can use X+Y"
Me: "X+Y sucks so that is pointless"
You: "No this farming build uses X+Y"
Me: "Just because a farming build uses X+Y doesn't mean it is good"
You: "Who mentioned farming? You!"

DarkSpirit · Mar 15, 2008, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by Terraban

I'll sum it up for you:
You: "SoI is good because you can use X+Y"
Me: "X+Y sucks so that is pointless"
You: "No this farming build uses X+Y"
Me: "Just because a farming build uses X+Y doesn't mean it is good"
You: "Who mentioned farming? You!"

I dont why you making a huge deal out of that single farming out of that entire list of builds I sent.

Me: "SoI is good because you can use X+Y at level 16 for BOTH"
You: really...? X + Y? Are you seriously wasting your whole entire skillbar on these mediocre single target skills?
Me: "Many people use X+Y effectively. Look at these X+Y builds <non-farming build1>, <non-farming build2>,....<1 farming build>...."
You: "Just because a farming build uses X+Y doesn't mean it is good"
Me: "Who mentioned farming? You!"
You: "You mentioned 1 farming build....you are terrible! the sky is falling! That implies SoI must suck! blah blah...OH THE HORROR!"

Terraban · Mar 15, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

I dont why you making a huge deal out of that single farming out of that entire list of builds I sent.

Me: "SoI is good because you can use X+Y at level 16 for BOTH"
You: really...? X + Y? Are you seriously wasting your whole entire skillbar on these mediocre single target skills?
Me: "Many people uses X+Y effectively. Look at these X+Y builds <non-farming build1>, <non-farming build2>,....<1 farming build>...."
You: "Just because a farming build uses X+Y doesn't mean it is good"
Me: "Who mentioned farming? You!"

The first build you posted, which btw, all three of them were the same build quoted different times, was a standard SF build with Steam thrown in. Your SoI build is focused on Steam itself.

One build is focused on SF, and uses Steam as a secondary skill.
Your build uses Steam as its main skill.

You can't see the difference?

Are you really that retarded or are you just faking it?

DarkSpirit · Mar 15, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Terraban

The first build you posted, which btw, all three of them were the same build quoted different times, was a standard SF build with Steam thrown in. Your SoI build is focused on Steam itself.

What? Which SoI build did I post that is based on Steam? All those are examples of X+Y NON-SOI builds.

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Your build uses Steam as its main skill.

Which build uses Steam as the main skill?

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You can't see the difference?

Are you really that retarded or are you just faking it?

Are you faking a retard or are you a real retard? Where did I post a build with Steam as the main skill?

Are you smoking weeds and dreaming it up?

arcanemacabre · Mar 15, 2008, 05:03 AM // 05:03

Why don't you guys take this argument to http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10129170

It might get some better input from either side instead of being just a shouting match.

Kyomi Tachibana · Mar 15, 2008, 05:47 AM // 05:47

So this is what happens when someone asks which class they should play? Noice.

"Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics, even if you win, you're still a retard."

DarkSpirit · Mar 15, 2008, 07:09 AM // 07:09

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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

So this is what happens when someone asks which class they should play? Noice.

"Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics, even if you win, you're still a retard."

If knowing that you are right and believing in yourself is to be a retard then sign me up.

Better to be a retard than a spastic, I suppose.

Coloneh · Mar 15, 2008, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

So this is what happens when someone asks which class they should play? Noice.

"Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics, even if you win, you're still a retard."

wow, so origional.... go home!

anyways. terraban is the only one still arguing that makes any sense. darkspirit dosnt seem to understand any known form of logic, spock would kick his ass so hard. and everyone started ignoring JDryder a few pages ago, we all know you have no clue what your talking about.

upier · Mar 15, 2008, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

for energy if you can cast all you skills non stop and never need more energy to cast, SR becomes useless. For mesmers you dont spam skills, it reqs that you know how to play your bar

The mesmer WAITS for the right moment - some other classes MAKE SURE that EVERY moment is right.
If you are not casting - you are wanding in the best of cases. And in that case - I'd much rather have a paragon throwing spears.

DarkSpirit · Mar 15, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

wow, so origional.... go home!

anyways. terraban is the only one still arguing that makes any sense. darkspirit dosnt seem to understand any known form of logic, spock would kick his ass so hard. and everyone started ignoring JDryder a few pages ago, we all know you have no clue what your talking about.

Oh you want to continue for him? This is where the argument ends at:

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Your build uses Steam as its main skill.

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Where did I post a build with Steam as the main skill?

If what he said makes sense then he/you should be able to answer my question.

arcanemacabre · Mar 15, 2008, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by upier

The mesmer WAITS for the right moment - some other classes MAKE SURE that EVERY moment is right.
If you are not casting - you are wanding in the best of cases. And in that case - I'd much rather have a paragon throwing spears.

QFT

In PvP, the right moment is a fleeting thing, and the whole team works toward making that moment happen, making the Mesmer shine. Things don't die often, and when they do, it's a huge thing. In PvE, things die quickly, and they die often. Working together to make some moment happen is not nearly as effective as simply steamrolling. The Mesmer then becomes a small addition to that steamroll, rather than the bigger addition all the other classes can provide.

I mean sure, there is the occasional group (namely with particular bosses) that will give the average steamrolling team a hard time. Those times, a Mesmer may be more useful. However, 99.9% of the rest of PvE can do fine... no... better without.

EDIT: And this is coming from someone who loves his Mesmer. I play the Mesmer purely for fun, though, not for some sense of godlike power. After all, this is a game meant for fun, right? That should be reason enough to play one.

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 15, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47

I'd like to comment that a fast cast nuker with searing flames is pure rape.

RavagerOfDreams · Mar 15, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Why when you could use [skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill]?

the mesmer interrupts provide unconditional interrupts whereas with BHA the daze can be removed

not only that but only SB can prevent a mezzy's interrupts whereas rangers can be blocked

Kasai · Mar 15, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Enough with the flaming and arguing already.

Mesmers are more specialised with their skills (ie domination is MAINLY for anti-spellcasting and illusion is MAINLY for anti-melee) which tends to mean they may not be always useful in PvE. Though in the right situations they can be very powerful. Also you can take the fast casting nuke route which I must admit I haven't tried.

Ritualists (I forgot we were even talking about them, the topic seems to have switched to 'omgz ranger owns mezmar laiek') they are quite a versatile profession, being both support and offensive, I must say i'm a channeling wh0re but there are a lot of very useful spirits and weapon spells.

In my opinion I would go for ritualist, as they are more suited for PvE and there is the option of going supportive of offensive (or both

)

Kasai

JDRyder · Mar 16, 2008, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by Terraban

How is the Mesmer taking pressure off the team? Interrupts?

Guess what....ANY profession can do that, and Rangers can even do it BETTER. Rangers can use any interrupt skill that a Mesmer can use, + their own interrupts.

rangers are by no means better interupters then mesmers, and removing pressure is not only interupts